Comments on: Flash Player now supports advanced MPEG-4 content http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/10/flash-goes-mp4-aac-h264-mpeg4-avc.html Digital Awareness and Flying Spirit Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:05:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Avi http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/10/flash-goes-mp4-aac-h264-mpeg4-avc.html#comment-88649 Avi Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:06:29 +0000 http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/10/flash-goes-mp4-aac-h264-mpeg4-avc.html#comment-88649 In this era of our industry, big new things do not use to born open in any manner. I don't blame the creator, they know these are big things and they want to monetize it and currently the Open Source model is not the best way to monetize things. In the case of Flash and H.264 video codec, since there is no equivalent in the open standards and open source world that is as complex, as powerful and as mature, the current situation with Flash+MPEG-4 is the best we can get. In this era of our industry, big new things do not use to born open in any manner.

I don’t blame the creator, they know these are big things and they want to monetize it and currently the Open Source model is not the best way to monetize things.

In the case of Flash and H.264 video codec, since there is no equivalent in the open standards and open source world that is as complex, as powerful and as mature, the current situation with Flash+MPEG-4 is the best we can get.

]]> By: Kevin Kofler http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/10/flash-goes-mp4-aac-h264-mpeg4-avc.html#comment-88568 Kevin Kofler Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:16:34 +0000 http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/10/flash-goes-mp4-aac-h264-mpeg4-avc.html#comment-88568 > Richi, for Fedora to include it, there is no such thing as open enough. It should be completely open source and free of patents. And that's exactly what I meant by "just as encumbered": MPEG4 is patent-encumbered, so there's no Free implementations legal in the US and some other countries. > Richi, for Fedora to include it, there is no such thing as open enough. It should be completely open source and free of patents.

And that’s exactly what I meant by “just as encumbered”: MPEG4 is patent-encumbered, so there’s no Free implementations legal in the US and some other countries.

]]> By: Avi http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/10/flash-goes-mp4-aac-h264-mpeg4-avc.html#comment-88131 Avi Fri, 12 Oct 2007 22:37:54 +0000 http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/10/flash-goes-mp4-aac-h264-mpeg4-avc.html#comment-88131 <p>Richi, for Fedora to include it, there is no such thing as open enough. It should be completely open source and free of patents.</p> <p>So no, it won't. But you can install it with yum from Adobe's RPM repository. <a href="http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/06/fedora-post-installation-configurations.html" rel="nofollow">Just follow this tips</a>.</p> Richi, for Fedora to include it, there is no such thing as open enough. It should be completely open source and free of patents.

So no, it won’t. But you can install it with yum from Adobe’s RPM repository. Just follow this tips.

]]> By: Richi http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/10/flash-goes-mp4-aac-h264-mpeg4-avc.html#comment-87979 Richi Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:26:30 +0000 http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/10/flash-goes-mp4-aac-h264-mpeg4-avc.html#comment-87979 Will it be free or open enough that a distribution like Fedora would include it in its offering? Will it be free or open enough that a distribution like Fedora would include it in its offering?

]]> By: John Moylan http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/10/flash-goes-mp4-aac-h264-mpeg4-avc.html#comment-87891 John Moylan Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:53:36 +0000 http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/10/flash-goes-mp4-aac-h264-mpeg4-avc.html#comment-87891 Unfortunately Adobe are not supporting the rtsp standard for streaming H264/MP4. They are insisting on only supporting their own proprietary protocol that only works on their stack. Unfortunately Adobe are not supporting the rtsp standard for streaming H264/MP4. They are insisting on only supporting their own proprietary protocol that only works on their stack.

]]> By: Avi http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/10/flash-goes-mp4-aac-h264-mpeg4-avc.html#comment-87842 Avi Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:42:38 +0000 http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/10/flash-goes-mp4-aac-h264-mpeg4-avc.html#comment-87842 <p>Kevin, only because Theora is libre it doesn't mean it is a good codec.</p> <p>Theora is as good as MPEG-1 (read very old and obsolete) and have an extremely week ecosystem.</p> <p>And what do you mean by "MPEG4 is just as encumbered as FLV" ?</p> Kevin, only because Theora is libre it doesn’t mean it is a good codec.

Theora is as good as MPEG-1 (read very old and obsolete) and have an extremely week ecosystem.

And what do you mean by “MPEG4 is just as encumbered as FLV” ?

]]> By: Warren Togami http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/10/flash-goes-mp4-aac-h264-mpeg4-avc.html#comment-87746 Warren Togami Fri, 12 Oct 2007 04:42:56 +0000 http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/10/flash-goes-mp4-aac-h264-mpeg4-avc.html#comment-87746 You might want to note that the current RC from Adobe Labs is mistakenly marked as requiring an executable stack, making it fail due to selinux policy. execstack -c will clear the bit from libflashplayer.so and allow it to function. You might want to note that the current RC from Adobe Labs is mistakenly marked as requiring an executable stack, making it fail due to selinux policy. execstack -c will clear the bit from libflashplayer.so and allow it to function.

]]> By: Kevin Kofler http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/10/flash-goes-mp4-aac-h264-mpeg4-avc.html#comment-87739 Kevin Kofler Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:43:37 +0000 http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/10/flash-goes-mp4-aac-h264-mpeg4-avc.html#comment-87739 I think this isn't good news, MPEG4 is just as encumbered as FLV is. If they supported Ogg Theora, it would be interesting, but this isn't. I think this isn’t good news, MPEG4 is just as encumbered as FLV is. If they supported Ogg Theora, it would be interesting, but this isn’t.

]]> By: Avi http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/10/flash-goes-mp4-aac-h264-mpeg4-avc.html#comment-87582 Avi Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:17:29 +0000 http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/10/flash-goes-mp4-aac-h264-mpeg4-avc.html#comment-87582 Joe, what I am saying is that this is the best we can get now. Flash dominates the web. This is not bad since it is free (as in beer), but it is also not so good because it is proprietary. Anyway, it is available on Linux too. MPEG-4 is open but requires royalties to be implemented. But many free (as in freedom) implementations exist. Amongst all multimedia animals out there, MPEG-4 set of technologies are the best, most advanced and most well adopted across many industries. Joe, what I am saying is that this is the best we can get now.

Flash dominates the web. This is not bad since it is free (as in beer), but it is also not so good because it is proprietary. Anyway, it is available on Linux too.

MPEG-4 is open but requires royalties to be implemented. But many free (as in freedom) implementations exist.

Amongst all multimedia animals out there, MPEG-4 set of technologies are the best, most advanced and most well adopted across many industries.

]]> By: Joe http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/10/flash-goes-mp4-aac-h264-mpeg4-avc.html#comment-87576 Joe Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:55:41 +0000 http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/10/flash-goes-mp4-aac-h264-mpeg4-avc.html#comment-87576 I don't understand. Are you saying that YT is converging to standard codecs (so we could use YT without the Flash plugin), or merely to a proprietary plugin (Flash) that also supports standard video formats? Somehow I doubt we would ever find the Powers That Be allowing us drones to choose a completely free (libre) solution. So why is this a good thing again? I don’t understand. Are you saying that YT is converging to standard codecs (so we could use YT without the Flash plugin), or merely to a proprietary plugin (Flash) that also supports standard video formats?

Somehow I doubt we would ever find the Powers That Be allowing us drones to choose a completely free (libre) solution.

So why is this a good thing again?

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