Comments on: Anarchy at ISO http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/12/anarchy-at-iso.html Digital Awareness and Flying Spirit Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:57:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Otavio Pecego http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/12/anarchy-at-iso.html/comment-page-1#comment-105056 Otavio Pecego Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:58:44 +0000 http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/12/anarchy-at-iso.html#comment-105056 Jomar, TCP was adopted for many reasons, but not because it was a standard. Some years from now it will probably vanish with the sand due to new needs and technologies. There is not such a single thing as a platonic standard for the concept of document. Many new ones will probably arise form open source community or market. Standards are there to make them more interoperable from each version. Your argument seems to copy the same behavior of the christian churh and russian single party: a single way of thinking. Be opened to diversity and diference, and happy new year ! Jomar,
TCP was adopted for many reasons, but not because it was a standard.
Some years from now it will probably vanish with the sand due to new needs and technologies.
There is not such a single thing as a platonic standard for the concept of document. Many new ones will probably arise form open source community or market. Standards are there to make them more interoperable from each version.
Your argument seems to copy the same behavior of the christian churh and russian single party: a single way of thinking.
Be opened to diversity and diference, and happy new year !

]]> By: Jomar Silva http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/12/anarchy-at-iso.html/comment-page-1#comment-105034 Jomar Silva Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:09:30 +0000 http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/12/anarchy-at-iso.html#comment-105034 Good example given... TCP/IP was adopted because it's completely free (as ODF ...). Even Microsoft has implemented it inside Windows NT using the FreeBSD source code (see how you guys knows what is free software ???). I'm also happy to see Microsoft folks reading my stuff. You guys really need to grow and stop playing funny tricks on the market (support ODF and let the market choose... it is hard to play on a competitive and commodity market, isn't it ?). And don't worry about me. I'm always growing... the prove of this growing is that I've left the Microsoft-based development environment a few months ago... PS.: I'm still waiting a good answer to IPR issues related to OpenXML. I've sent you those questions at Boteconet (July, 2007) and didn't received any plausible answer... Is that too hard to answer ? Why ? Good example given… TCP/IP was adopted because it’s completely free (as ODF …).

Even Microsoft has implemented it inside Windows NT using the FreeBSD source code (see how you guys knows what is free software ???).

I’m also happy to see Microsoft folks reading my stuff. You guys really need to grow and stop playing funny tricks on the market (support ODF and let the market choose… it is hard to play on a competitive and commodity market, isn’t it ?).

And don’t worry about me. I’m always growing… the prove of this growing is that I’ve left the Microsoft-based development environment a few months ago…

PS.: I’m still waiting a good answer to IPR issues related to OpenXML. I’ve sent you those questions at Boteconet (July, 2007) and didn’t received any plausible answer… Is that too hard to answer ? Why ?

]]> By: Otavio Pecego http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/12/anarchy-at-iso.html/comment-page-1#comment-104785 Otavio Pecego Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:09:27 +0000 http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/12/anarchy-at-iso.html#comment-104785 Anytime you see chaos and anarchy rings a bell meaning you are behind your time. Time moves, standard moves, ODF will have to move. Standards are photographies of a time. Just that. Once I've wrote a CCITT level 3 standard and TCP is the one used today. No standard is a garantee. Society chooses it depending your actual needs. Needs change with time. Good to know you are in a crises. Read Hieracltus, may be Darwin or Deleuze. Search for knowledge that talks about movement and forget stalinist or IBM books. Nice to see you can grow. Anytime you see chaos and anarchy rings a bell meaning you are behind your time. Time moves, standard moves, ODF will have to move. Standards are photographies of a time. Just that.
Once I’ve wrote a CCITT level 3 standard and TCP is the one used today. No standard is a garantee. Society chooses it depending your actual needs. Needs change with time.
Good to know you are in a crises. Read Hieracltus, may be Darwin or Deleuze. Search for knowledge that talks about movement and forget stalinist or IBM books. Nice to see you can grow.

]]> By: Jomar Silva http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/12/anarchy-at-iso.html/comment-page-1#comment-104482 Jomar Silva Sat, 22 Dec 2007 19:16:42 +0000 http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/12/anarchy-at-iso.html#comment-104482 Another point that wasn't touched on the article, is the market fragmentation caused by multiple standards. The history has proved to us all that several products based on the same standard makes the whole thing better to users (low price, high quality, high competition, etc...), but multiple standards to do the same thing, unfortunately no. It increase the prices to users, because the products usually need to be compatible with all standards, and the worst think - not "so visible" - is that they increase the standards fragmentation on the market. This fragmentation has a huge and elevated cost, mainly because it takes a couple of dollars from billions and billions of users (and as you can see, we don't have yet a well defined methodology to identify and estimate those costs). Another point that wasn’t touched on the article, is the market fragmentation caused by multiple standards.

The history has proved to us all that several products based on the same standard makes the whole thing better to users (low price, high quality, high competition, etc…), but multiple standards to do the same thing, unfortunately no.

It increase the prices to users, because the products usually need to be compatible with all standards, and the worst think – not “so visible” – is that they increase the standards fragmentation on the market.

This fragmentation has a huge and elevated cost, mainly because it takes a couple of dollars from billions and billions of users (and as you can see, we don’t have yet a well defined methodology to identify and estimate those costs).

]]> By: The Linux Index » Andre Noel: Why two standards? And now PDF? http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/12/anarchy-at-iso.html/comment-page-1#comment-104061 The Linux Index » Andre Noel: Why two standards? And now PDF? Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:58:59 +0000 http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/12/anarchy-at-iso.html#comment-104061 [...] Avi Alkalay translated to english the Jomar Silva’s Post about standards, ISO and etc. It’s a very good post. [...] [...] Avi Alkalay translated to english the Jomar Silva’s Post about standards, ISO and etc. It’s a very good post. [...]

]]> By: Andre Noel » Blog Archive » Why two patterns? And now PDF? http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/12/anarchy-at-iso.html/comment-page-1#comment-104054 Andre Noel » Blog Archive » Why two patterns? And now PDF? Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:46:54 +0000 http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/12/anarchy-at-iso.html#comment-104054 [...] Avi Alkalay translated to english the Jomar Silva’s Post about patterns, ISO and etc. It’s a very good post. [...] [...] Avi Alkalay translated to english the Jomar Silva’s Post about patterns, ISO and etc. It’s a very good post. [...]

]]> By: Andre Noel » Blog Archive » Por que dois padrões? E agora o PDF? http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/12/anarchy-at-iso.html/comment-page-1#comment-104051 Andre Noel » Blog Archive » Por que dois padrões? E agora o PDF? Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:35:05 +0000 http://avi.alkalay.net/2007/12/anarchy-at-iso.html#comment-104051 [...] Avi Alkalay traduziu para o inglês o post do Jomar Silva sobre os padrões, a ISO e tudo mais. Vale a pena [...] [...] Avi Alkalay traduziu para o inglês o post do Jomar Silva sobre os padrões, a ISO e tudo mais. Vale a pena [...]

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